Comments on: Door-to-door searches

By: Ben

Ben — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:49:04 +0000

Interesting development. It seems The Netherlands has little historical perspective. With the rise of populism AND the loss of personal freedom I believe we are living on an active vulcano. If the two ever meet, the dutch will find themselves in a position their lack of foresight has put them in, viz: having to explain away some very incidents.
I live in the Netherlands and enjoy my life here. I grew up in a society where you could tell any policeman to shove off, whenever you felt like it. Now I have to carry ID all the time, any law enforcement officer can ask for my ID, whenever he/she feels like it AND now somehow a decision (I cannot influence) can be made about the quarter I live in AND my house can be searched by an organisation that has little or nothing to do with trained law enforcement officers AND reserves the right to check up on anything they please. Although I do not live in The Hague, there is no reason at all this could not happen anywhere else in The Netherlands.
I am only human, so maybe I’ll just move in to a posh neighbourhood just around the corner to make sure nobody bothers me. It will be too bad for the fellows citizens I leave behind for their lack of a choice.

I am afraid we dutch are going to become the new swiss in the European Union.

By: Zashkaser

Zashkaser — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:55:14 +0000

WOW! Good thing you kept your wits enough to fight off the bugger. Glad you’re ok. The worse thing to happen to me on that street was when I encountered a pack of dogs late one night. I kept a safe distance behind them until I got home. Take care.

By: Nat

Nat — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:43:58 +0000

@IanSobiesky: It’s not the people on welfare that make these plans, nor do they suck much of the capital that is going around out of any system, ever. What does suck is the bankruptcy caused by the overly rich and wealthy. You know the ones, they have not one, but three TV’s in their homes. They have not one, but 3 cars. They have not one, but 3 PC’s, they have not one but three houses. Not to mention the food they throw out in the garbage, over-consuming like you will not believe, over-eating like there’s no tomorrow, regardless of the consequences to any environmental disaster lurking around the corner of capitalism and food-money. Oh and let’s not forget the impact of that wonderful meat-industry. Just one cow that is made into food is more expensive than a dozen people on welfare.

By: Silke

Silke — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:36:57 +0000

I can remember a time here in the NL when I found things not all too bad, but my view has changed drastically over the past few years: NL is not the country you want to live in (when caring at least a bit about your personal & human rights).

The scary thing indeed is the vast acceptance, ja desire, of the Dutch population for this kind of treatment and governmental power.

By: PE

PE — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:15:21 +0000

Wow, so which will have more energy behind it, New Age, or the police state of the NWO yadda yadda

Its like the movie the blob. You read about such changes in the US, UK, but slowly like this financial crisis, you see the effects closer and closer to those around you and your doorstep.

By: Bazzek

Bazzek — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:04:30 +0000

What i forgot….

They can’t force the search on you, unless the police is coming along with a search warrant anyways. So telling them to shove it is perfectly correct since they cannot get the warrant without a reason. And telling them to shove it is NO reason.

By: Bazzek

Bazzek — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:03:13 +0000

Stop growing pot using illegal power taps.

Although i agree that it is ridiculous, the neighborhoods they are doing the “searches” in are notorious for illegal power taps and dangerous situations due to that. Just over a year ago a guy blew out the complete front of his building because he had bad wiring and a very badly done gas system.

Are the searches idiotic and invasive, yes.
Are they necessary, apparently.
Would i tell them to shove it, hell yes.

By: Dale

Dale — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:02:57 +0000

Well, when you live in a Cradle to Grave Socialist State; a hair’s width away from Stalinist Totalitarianism … sometimes your Nanny State will actually give you what you ask for.

Good luck.

By: David Rietveld

David Rietveld — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:49:40 +0000

Hi Rop,

zie:
http://denhaag.groenlinks.nl/node/27864
http://denhaag.groenlinks.nl/node/28068
http://denhaag.groenlinks.nl/haagsepandbrigade

By: Joris Dirks

Joris Dirks — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:53:04 +0000

There are a lot of heartfelt opinions here (rightly so, I was upset too). Sadly, no one seemed to have dug into the matter.

The local political party GroenLinks has asked some questions on this (in response to a few articles on Vrijschrift[1]. Alderman Norder explained this is *not* door-to-door. The inspection teams do a ‘digital check’ (combining databases, but: “it’s not personal information, because it is information about the home”). Only after a real suspicion, the team tries to come inside. This is not illegal but warranted to the mayor, by the law on housing (Woningwet) article 100a [2].

Sadly, the civilians are intimidated while the letter could also explain the legalese. Yet that kind of service is hardly ever found in policing. Also, it seems the alderman does not find it necessary to evaluate or even monitor The Hague Residence Brigade.

[1] http://www.vrijspreker.nl/wp/2009/07/wij-komen-de-woning-controleren-deel-5-antwoorden-van-wethouder-norder/

[2] http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0005181/geldigheidsdatum_09-07-2009#HoofdstukVI_Afdeling2_Artikel100a

By: Marc

Marc — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:14:42 +0000

These “inspections” are a downright violation of our fundamental rights. The city counsels know that and therefore try to intimidate with “we can come back with an order to enter the premisis. Such can only be done by court order. They know damn well they wont get such and order for a fishing expedition. Therefore intimidating is the way to keep the social weaker right were they are, backed up in a corner.
I am disgusted!

to IanSobiesky, apparently you are totally ignorant about our social system and the people we let into the country. I just wish there was a way of keeping you and the likings out.

By: Butch

Butch — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:20:49 +0000

Hi,
I do not know if the educational system is to blame (I agree that it is not what it use to be, =understatement ).
I believe more that the Dutch and maybe other people just expect too much from the government. If something goes wrong one tries to blame it on the government (deep pocket). As a reaction the government tries too counter this by getting more control over what is happening.
Also if something bad happened in the society the majority of the people ask “How was this possible?” Why did nobody see this comming? And the society expect something is done to prevent it from happening again. So the administration comes up with house calls.

I am not sure (do not know enough about the situation in the Hague) that they perform house calls at every address in specific area’s. Only addresses that pop up in investigations that something might be wrong are visited. Now you can ask has the government the right to perform investigations (comparing databases etc). Well we can not expect of the government that they sit back and relax.